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Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6905	Posted - 2016.01.18 15:17:30 - [1] - Quote Good stuff, thanks for the details Now for wrangling over the >80mil SP getting 150k out of the packet's 500k.... Quote: We werenGÇÖt sure exactly what to expect but it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players Quote: Specifically, we changed the 3rd bracket which used to give 200,000 to now give 300,000, and the final bracket which used to give 50,000 to 150,000. I love you. Still waiting on at least one more critical parameter though, the AUR cost. It has been assumed all over the place... as you know from the other thread. Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6905	Posted - 2016.01.18 15:24:28 - [2] - Quote It's an interesting mechanic where older players may gain less SP (and indeed due to how skills work ie: Ving) and may get less out of each SP are better able to pay for it. Of course this is different if you have older players making newer alts (which have low SP), but then this is similar to the case of feeding your newbies SP... well, you still have to hand them a t1 ewar frigate so they can tracking disrupt machariels in lowsec... Every change leaves the badguys just about to fall. We just need more coalitions to exist to destroy them, more legions to be paid off, more lasersov, more something!!
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6905	Posted - 2016.01.18 15:36:06 - [3] - Quote Julien Brellier wrote: Pay-to-win micro transactions creeping into Eve. A sad day. Kneejerk reactions in eveo Ah this happens every day ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6905	Posted - 2016.01.18 15:55:23 - [4] - Quote YouAreMyBounty Sarn wrote: I'm not sure how you come to the conclusion that there was a positive attitude about TSP's. I posted many times in that dev blog & there was a majority of people against it, In your mind, perhaps. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6905	Posted - 2016.01.18 15:56:12 - [5] - Quote tasman devil wrote: Basically means that I should have an ALT low SP (under 5m SP) character, who I deck out lets say with max Intelligence and Memory attributes, assign some Int/Mem skills to him and then periodically milk him for 500k SP that I can then sell on the market. 2: Any other route and you'll have a net negative on the SP pool. In effect CCP is burning (removing) SP from the game. But if you're using AUR for the extractor... why not get plex and train more. Oh snap. Besides... it's not surprising there may be a most efficient way to produce something. To min-max my dominix production I would research the BPO fully as well, right? Otherwise I'm having a net negative on the dominix pool? ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6905	Posted - 2016.01.18 16:07:37 - [6] - Quote Sorgia wrote: ppl who used exploits instandly maxedout. Better report the exploiters, I hear you get a plex if it's true or something. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6905	Posted - 2016.01.18 16:08:41 - [7] - Quote Minchurra wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: Minchurra wrote: I like it. Some Qs: How does this work in the case where I don't want to sell my XP on the market but I do want to re-arrange how I have it distributed? For example on a toonie with 65 million SP, can I just move 5 million SP from my mining skills and dump them into my leadership skills, or do I need to use the injector/extractor and lose a percentage of my skill points? Is 500k the maximum you can transfer in one go? Surely 512k would be a better amount given skills advance in powers of 2. Are there plans for bigger/smaller injectors at different price points? Can the injectors be bought for -ú-ú-ú like the extractors or are they in-game purchases only? First victim to the new system detected. Read the dev blog again. If you do this, you will lose SP because your total amount extract is 500,000 but due to your 64.5M SP sum, you will only be able to re-implement 150,000 SP. Have fun wasting your money. You'd almost think I was asking because it sounded so useless that it couldn't possibly be what they were planning on doing. Your intuition that they weren't aiming for people to stack SP on their 80mil+ SP charcaters is correct. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6905	Posted - 2016.01.18 16:10:02 - [8] - Quote tasman devil wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: tasman devil wrote: Basically means that I should have an ALT low SP (under 5m SP) character, who I deck out lets say with max Intelligence and Memory attributes, assign some Int/Mem skills to him and then periodically milk him for 500k SP that I can then sell on the market. 2: Any other route and you'll have a net negative on the SP pool. In effect CCP is burning (removing) SP from the game. But if you're using AUR for the extractor... why not get plex and train more. Oh snap. Besides... it's not surprising there may be a most efficient way to produce something. To min-max my dominix production I would research the BPO fully as well, right? Otherwise I'm having a net negative on the dominix pool? To clarify this: main - fully researched all the ships you want to fly, I do not want to touch it alt - free reign I have ~5,500 AUR from the heydays when CCP gave them out left and right, I don't care it the extractor will be in AUR, at least I can burn that AUR off the account. Plus: you need at least one plex to have the account open and accessible, why pay with more when you have already reached all the ships you wanted? Specialised alts are useful, huh? Actually for quite a number of applications a specialized alt (eg: producing more conventional goods) is quite a boon. It's good that you're thinking ahead rather than thinking the SP you trained yourself is free. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6906	Posted - 2016.01.18 16:29:10 - [9] - Quote Obil Que wrote: Rivr Luzade wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Your intuition that they weren't aiming for people to stack SP on their 80mil+ SP charcaters is correct. Your idea (and CCP's) of how new players should be introduced to the game is troublesome - very troublesome. Current: Sorry Tommy, you can't play with us because you don't have X skill. Please wait [insert long wait time here] before you can come play with the big boys. Or you can spend hundreds of dollars buying PLEX to buy a character and give up your current character. Future: Hey Tommy, come play with us. Here's some SP to get you started. If you need more, you can get a jump start with a PLEX or two if you want to skip a couple weeks or a month of waiting. Future Tommy seems to have better options... Some people don't like the idea of Tommy joining, if Tommy will become a bad person in eve online EDIT: That said though, Tommy might have pretty quickly skilled up and then gotten on mach killmails with their t1 frigate using a tracking disruptor. or a logi legion with a sensor damp. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6906	Posted - 2016.01.18 16:32:20 - [10] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Obil Que wrote: Current: Sorry Tommy, you can't play with us because you don't have X skill. Please wait [insert long wait time here] before you can come play with the big boys. Or you can spend hundreds of dollars buying PLEX to buy a character and give up your current character. Future: Hey Tommy, come play with us. Here's some SP to get you started. If you need more, you can get a jump start with a PLEX or two if you want to skip a couple weeks or a month of waiting. Future Tommy seems to have better options... That's exactly how drug pushers work, 'Tell you what I'll do I'll make the first one free, when you want some more just come back to me...' Is this what it comes down to, making our newbies dependent on our space state? Oh so you're saving them huh. I see... ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6906	Posted - 2016.01.18 16:36:45 - [11] - Quote I guess the actual real problem is some players might be generous to the newer ones. It's like how having friends leads to a blue donut leading to eve dying. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6906	Posted - 2016.01.18 16:42:09 - [12] - Quote King Dave wrote: As a very high sp character I think you are missing the mark horribly on people like me. I don't want to add more skills to my toon but rearrange the stuff I have. The cost benefit and lost potential usage of extracted skills for whatever reason in the future means I would never be extracting from myself. I would however pay a higher aurum price for a self extractor/injector. It's not tradable (call it genetically coded). You even give it a slight diminished return, but the point is that it resculpts the points of self. Otherwise if I want to get rid of 5 mil in leadership stuff to basically get 1.5 mil in something else plus the cost of a ton of aurum just doesn't make any sense, especially given than game is ever changing and you could tie some leadership skill to a ship, (command Desi anyone?) Honestly a self-restricted "skill rearranger" (which you can buy and trade, but only when empty, and can only use on the character that extracts sp to it) would be nice. You could make it so when you use the "skill rearranger" you fill up your 500k, but instead of giving you a filled extractor, it gives that character the (450k?) SP with no chance to sell anything. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6906	Posted - 2016.01.18 16:52:46 - [13] - Quote People are really obsessed with the SP gain at the highest SP brackets. Well, if it changes from 150k to 250k next time, I'll be quite amused. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6906	Posted - 2016.01.18 16:54:14 - [14] - Quote Querns wrote: ViolentDesire wrote: Querns wrote: ViolentDesire wrote: Total joke and unforgivable. What is claimed is essentially impossible to conclude. The overwhelming majority other than maybe goons + pets and trolls saw this as a clearly destructive change and were against it. I don't think I've ever seen anything so untrue in relation to Eve. The amount of confirmation bias and dishonesty required to make this claim is astounding. The only thing that's destructive about this change is the death of SP leaderboard onanism. Fortunately, such masturbatory pursuits, like real masturbation, are completely meaningless. I guess you were in the minority that thought this was a good idea. I do agree that it is a fantastic idea. I don't agree that my opinion represents the minority opinion. It's ok, CCP agrees. And they had 300 pages of the same repeated posts worth of data too. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6906	Posted - 2016.01.18 16:55:06 - [15] - Quote Rivr Luzade wrote: What are you complaining about? Your support for this rubbish of a mechanic is what makes our newbies dependent on their credit card, not on how they play. Your newbies? But I thought it was about our newbies? How many newbies are you getting? ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6908	Posted - 2016.01.18 16:59:03 - [16] - Quote Querns wrote: Aerious wrote: What a waste of time and resources. What use is this to a 2004 player with over 210m SP? None. Fortunately, there are only a handful of these sorts in the game. Oh snap, eliteSP, the natural progression of elitePVP having SP minimums. Until a while ago I couldn't parachute to NC. as I didn't have their 30mil SP minimum, ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6913	Posted - 2016.01.18 17:05:06 - [17] - Quote Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote: Note that I do not consider a new player paying however much for the PLEX to buy SP up to the entry point for a bigger alliance to be a benefit to them. No I doubt it would be, but I'm biased as I didn't have to fulfill a SP requirement to join my small alliance, so perhaps someone in ncdot might be able to tell me more. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6913	Posted - 2016.01.18 17:06:29 - [18] - Quote Hendrink Collie wrote: For once, it seems reddit has the best opinion of skill tradiing. The overall opinion is pretty level-headed over there compared to here and twitter. You heard it guys, get over to reddit and start posting like mad. And downvote a lot. Jenn aSide wrote: In the end they will do neither. Veterans (and veteran organizations) will learn how to leverage this to better their experience, while new players will find it a turn off or even detrimental. Sigh, I really wanted to leverage this to better a new player's experience but I guess the lever broke. edit: not yet, but February is still a way away. Maybe if this crosses 400 posts it'll be abandoned though, I worry! ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6913	Posted - 2016.01.18 17:13:12 - [19] - Quote Ok, honestly as a "vet" (do I qualify? What's the SP minimum to qualify) it isn't that great even for me to make new alts as I am unlikely to (1) suddenly need a new general alt... or even a new specialized alt, and (2) it will presumably be "cheaper" to train the usual way, and I don't have that sudden need. But I do think the genuinely new player (not just the alt of someone who probably also has 5 other alts and won't need all of them RIGHT NOW) is the one who benefits the most from just a single little boost of 500k SP. They can't go and do something else... except train I guess. So it helps this particular edge a lot. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6913	Posted - 2016.01.18 17:35:27 - [20] - Quote Adunh Slavy wrote: My biggest concern with this is the same concern with all of these Aurum based micro-transactions - lack of in game resources consumed to produce the ability or feature. It's all well and good, CCP, that you are not introducing resources created from nothing but you are creating something from nothing all too often, despite any claims to the contrary. The ability to move SP has only one true cost, and that is Aurum ... real money in the real world. The ability and process simply now exist at no in game cost except the paltry few minutes it takes to manipulate the GUI. All of this stuff should have an in game cost, be it minerals, PI, moon goo or the corpses of dead rats.. No, Player Corpses. Oh and I guess technetium ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6913	Posted - 2016.01.18 17:36:35 - [21] - Quote Querns wrote: Hendrink Collie wrote: For once, it seems reddit has the best opinion of skill tradiing. The overall opinion is pretty level-headed over there compared to here and twitter. Funny thing about that -- I was monitoring that thread. The opinion was, initially, full-on panic, until Elise Randolph posted about it. Then, everyone was okay with it. So you're saying it's actually a minority, just a minority that includes Elise Randolph? And of course noted poster Querns. Mashie Saldana wrote: But again, few weeks and 300+ pages later haven't changed anything. I can think of at least one, 150K at top SP bracket instead of 50K. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6913	Posted - 2016.01.18 17:40:40 - [22] - Quote Captain Africa wrote: B0RG 0VERLORD wrote: Captain Africa wrote: Look at the end of the day this is out of our hands...if CCP want to break their own sand castle who are we to argue...so go ahead ...just don't expect any sympathy when there are no more players left to pay the bills. I have 5 accounts each with way over 50 mil sp ...im just going to sell their skills off... make a ** ton of isk and keep my main. now take that to the bank ...and decide how well you thought this through . what can you say to a mentality of a potato that statement will cost you a shitload I dont expect you to get what Im saying ...fucken noob.... Perhaps an SP injection would help. Wait until Feb. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.**
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6917	Posted - 2016.01.18 20:19:09 - [23] - Quote Alexxei wrote: Sizeof Void wrote: Most of the high-SP players are among the space-rich, with more ISK in wallet than they can currently spend, and will be easily able to afford to buy up the Skill Injectors which others create and sell on the market. High sp players dont need to buy these, high sp players will be creating these for those who wish to inject some sp. I have a subcap pilot, a carrier/dread pilot and a supercap pilot. Why would I need to buy or inject sp? Apparently maxing out your SP score is what counts. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6917	Posted - 2016.01.18 20:32:17 - [24] - Quote Ah plex, so great apparently these gold cards are stored in the fort knox that is your jita 4-4 hangar. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6917	Posted - 2016.01.18 20:37:47 - [25] - Quote No this is different because it is new. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6917	Posted - 2016.01.18 20:39:10 - [26] - Quote No actually it's more like regdate bragging, the idea that your character of regdate cannot be beaten by character of lateregdate ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6918	Posted - 2016.01.18 21:39:15 - [27] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Interesting that the 80m SP+ bracket is getting a much greater return than originally proposed. Still eagerly awaiting AUR cost estimation at the least to complete the picture. Interesting is ... definitely one way to put it. It's quite a jump eh. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6918	Posted - 2016.01.18 21:54:47 - [28] - Quote Querns wrote: Zee Zaugg wrote: Lots of players will lose a lot of expirience. We all had to claw our way into better ships, dying and learning along the way. When we get into capitals, unless you are laser focused, it comes from years of dedication to this game. I had my first capital capable pilot and ship before I was more than a year old in the game. The Character Bazaar exists. Damnit you remind me that by the time I had my titan character trained up, it would've been faster and cheaper to buy one off the bazaar because people fore firesaling them or something? Like, suddenly people didn't feel the need to join a big superblob, wonder what happened... ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6919	Posted - 2016.01.18 22:10:34 - [29] - Quote Erotisk Folkdans wrote: Zee Zaugg wrote: Lots of players will lose a lot of expirience. We all had to claw our way into better ships, dying and learning along the way. Ooh I was waiting for this one. You really can't stand the thought of new players getting something you didn't get, can you? They must be denied! Please CCP, don't let new players be competitive! They can die in their new ships and get experience just as easy. You just can't kill them as easy. I would suggest before you fall asleep tonight, think long and hard about all those new players having fun with a little more sp. Quicker than you had. Hurts, doesn't it? Pathetic. Ooo snap. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6924	Posted - 2016.01.19 14:30:21 - [30] - Quote Rizz Razz wrote: Don't forget the Blood Raider Accelerator Test ! CCP recognized that Players are willing to pay up to 300 mio isk for just 50k effective Skillpoints ... so why u think u can buy 500k SP for under a billion isk? So it came to that... ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 19:34:00 - [31] - Quote Aerious wrote: You sound like a goon alt. So this is what the thread has come to, and we haven't even reached 100 pages. voetius wrote: That is something I have wondering about. It will depend on the relative cost of injectors compared to buying a character. Speculating, it may mean most of the low SP characters disappear from the bazaar and just 80M SP plus, highly focused characters remain, trading at a premium (due to the diminishing returns). But I don't think anyone really has a good idea how this is going to play out. It very nicely fills out a niche for low SP characters, and for covering several bases (since it's SP you allocate). Which is not what the bazaar currently covers, due to the obvious fixed transaction fee. I'm glad we've moved on from just exploring the bazaar. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 19:36:40 - [32] - Quote Rainus Max wrote: If this trading has to be put through there should be either a cap on how many you can apply (eg 20million) or a cut off point of say 50mill sp where you cant add any more. There are people out there who will spend the money to max out a character - you only have to look back a few years when someone bought a mass load of PLEX and bought a load of titans for his alliance. Yeah their alliance would definitely get a kick out of that guy's amazing character. It would really give them an advantage in the new "SP on field" type of engagement. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 19:41:36 - [33] - Quote Rainus Max wrote: If all you want to do is give newbies a leg up then give them 10mill sp to distribute as they see fit as soon as they subscribe. Well I'd be hardpressed to argue for this over such an alternative. Though it is amusing to see the regdate confusion. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 20:10:05 - [34] - Quote So many people tearfully defending the newbies by trying to shoot down this new mechanic. I feel so touched. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 20:47:50 - [35] - Quote Tristan Agion wrote: Aerious wrote: You sound like a goon alt. This is my main and I'm mostly playing solo explorer in high sec and wormholes at the moment. That's not very Goon-ish, I would guess. (Though admittedly the only things I know about Goons is what I read in reddit, which is probably not an unbiased source...) I find it somewhat strange that people assume one must be this or that to like the idea of skill injections. Take a look at Querns. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 21:24:56 - [36] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: Udonor wrote: Hmmm....T2-T3 SP retraining injections? For a mere 3 PLEX of aurum, players could convert all skills to SP then restructure all their skills. Take a toon from horrendous boring industrial toon to uber PVP toon. Sounds like a excellent way for CCP to retain players who would otherwise quit after they finally get a clue as to why EVE is worth playing. But normally would not have the heart to spend 6 months training up to have an acceptable vet level PVP toon. And CCP gets to make some extra rl cash to keep the company and EVE going. right as a new player you tell me i need to shell out cash just to play the game then you tell me i have to pay more to play competitively that will be great for bringing in newbros need to have to Love everyone's angle on having additional options. Keep it up! ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 21:27:37 - [37] - Quote Charlie Corday wrote: Now we have to worry about getting ganked I see. Well risk aversion is something that is killing eve, so I heard ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 21:31:35 - [38] - Quote We get you're risk averse in really specific situations. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 21:34:38 - [39] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Charlie Corday wrote: Now we have to worry about getting ganked by 1-day old characters who bought millions of skillpoints and billions of isk. Please rethink this money grabbing strategy. This is a horrible idea and goes against everything that is Eve. Constant vigilance with every character in the game without the exception... ...does it not seem odd to anyone else in this game that this isn't the default state for any character you don't know? Eh, does it take very long for characters to get a cyno trained nowadays I guess maybe you feel safe in highsec~~~ ??? Not that you might not get tackled anyway and then from the next system they jump in, or log on. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 21:56:53 - [40] - Quote Proddy Scun wrote: Would you keep playing after your GF/wife reduced your toons to 1M SP? Huh... down to 1m huh, indeed something seems wrong with that... but not what you might have been thinking ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 22:13:49 - [41] - Quote Proddy Scun wrote: (3) Or what idiot loots at toon ages to judge threat level? Honestly CCP should just remove this info as useless given that the toon birthdate info is given without revealing gaps in subscription or traded toon vs original player ownership. Something about using show info on names in local ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 22:24:27 - [42] - Quote Well some gank alts are pretty carefully trained (though certainly a simple catalyst works well too) and are basically just another type of specialized alt which uses blasters and occasionally projectiles. These of course in the line of duty are also -10 sec alts, which the ganker knows how to use properly, unlike the odd imaginings of people who are being ganked by such specialized alts and feel a special pain. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 22:26:01 - [43] - Quote Iowa Banshee wrote: Whoohoo - I hadn't though of that - I know several people I can phone up and ask them to use the PLEX grace period to trade some extractor and fill em-up for some cheap skill points. Is this against the EULA ? - If it is would giving them a PLEX to make the account active before I strip-mine it be OK? .... and at no time would I ever consider offering real life cash for them to do this trade also I would never consider advertising online for people with redundant accounts to do this as that would also be against the EULA terms Oh my, did you also take all the ships and stuff off their accounts as well for nothing in return? And transfer all their isk? Hmm... If the character is good, sell on bazaar and transfer all the isk. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 22:34:35 - [44] - Quote Now we're really getting started. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6926	Posted - 2016.01.19 22:46:52 - [45] - Quote Cixi wrote: Sgt Ocker wrote: PS; Giving a GF/ Wife who dislikes you playing Eve your password - You deserve everything that could happen. NEVER share your credetials You probably shouldn't brag to them about how this new item CCP is putting in is awesome and you will start 1000 alts to make use of it.... ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6929	Posted - 2016.01.20 23:25:58 - [46] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: MECHcore wrote: So you say = Sub Paid (via CC no less). Whats wrong paying a normal subscription with my CC ?? ( I do that since i started ) Queued skills for the next several months. You never queued skills ? Logged out right now idd. ( Erm i play when i want ? ) Since 2004 late April: Time Online = 701d 22h 18m Daily average = 3h 55m 59s Take 20% off that due to afk, otherwise im active, pvp or marketstuff /research/production. Still getting SP. Not sure whats wrong with that ?? EvEboard MECHcore I play by the rules, nothing wrong with that, so pls tell me where im wrong then. Just in my opinion this game is going the wrong direction, like it or not, its still my opinion. In a proposition about allowing players to sell their SP in game someone says it changes eve being about hard work and experience, and you agreed. But nothing about gaining SP has to do with hard work, and the decisions about what to do with it don't require any less understanding or experience. That's on top of the fact that that SP is coming from a CC even without this, something the post you quoted objected to. Basically everything about it seemed wrong from my perspective. Eh you know, this is what we're reduced to. By the end the previous 300+ page thread, we'd seen everything worthwhile repeated over the last 200 if not 290 pages. But now we get new (ie: the leftover arguments of 300 pages) stuff. Content. ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6931	Posted - 2016.01.21 11:58:42 - [47] - Quote Tristan Agion wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: Take MORE than 4 hours for the process to remove the points. Yes this is focused directly at the 'hours for plex' crew from being able to strip an account without actually paying for a month usage. Alternative is ONLY subbed accts can use the skill extracation devices. The alternative is much better, and frankly is what I expect to be the case anyhow. This game does not need more waiting games, it has plenty of that. Or something like fatigue... on injecting the SP that is/ as well. Like the original fatigue (since this isn't as "necessary" as jumping) where you get like 1 year of injection fatigue and a 30day cooldown on injecting ItGÇÖs very important to note here that this means all the skillpoints available to buy on the market in EVE will have originated on other characters where they were trained at the normal rate. http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6931	Posted - 2016.01.21 16:05:07 - [48] - Quote Yep, now we've resorted to parodying goon propaganda about rifters or something, that was parodying a hilarious slippery slope story. Sigh it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6931	Posted - 2016.01.21 16:06:45 - [49] - Quote Wendrika Hydreiga wrote: Zepheros Naeonis wrote: You know a feature completely fails when, after 44 pages of discussion, there are only 12 likes for the opening post. 13. Forgot to vote! Sorry... It's nothing personal but CCP Phantom doesn't have the same charisma as CCP Falcon or CCP Guard to be honest. He needs a remap. Maybe just injecting Social V or Criminal Connections I-IV it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6931	Posted - 2016.01.21 16:15:42 - [50] - Quote More tearful defenders of newbies, always good to see that there's a counterbalance against people who are vocal against measures helping people who aren't here yet. it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6931	Posted - 2016.01.21 16:28:05 - [51] - Quote And another unsubber. it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6931	Posted - 2016.01.23 02:29:44 - [52] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: while the original Eve players leave this game Oh my, vague unsubbing threats... made on the behalf of other people!! it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6931	Posted - 2016.01.23 09:46:41 - [53] - Quote [quote=Eli StanI don't think it's an accomplishment that I'm approaching 2 years in this game. I don't continue playing simply to get that number, and my SP count, higher. I play this game because of the connections I've made with the people I fly with, and against. I count as accomplishments the small roles I play and the appreciate I have from my fleetmates for what I do.[/quote] Yo, this place isn't safe. it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6933	Posted - 2016.01.25 15:18:23 - [54] - Quote Aerious wrote: Talk with your main (Anabuki Tomoko), since you bought this character 2 weeks ago. New Player LOL lol character bazaar, am I right? it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6933	Posted - 2016.01.27 13:25:45 - [55] - Quote sero Hita wrote: So you are basically saying that even if you had a 13 years headstart, you have not accumulated enough ressources/ relations/ know how of the game to feel confident enough about competing against a rookie who would be given the same amounts of sp than you? That is kinda sad. That's even online for you, space is harsh and cold. sero Hita wrote: And another point: perhaps being playing a game you enjoyed for approx. 13 years is reward enough in itself? You already have had a time advantage to develop your player skills over newer players, why do you need to be further rewarded for the time you have been enjoying this game? Nah, you see, space is harsh and cold, only SP will keep you warm at night. it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6934	Posted - 2016.01.30 15:37:48 - [56] - Quote I like this idea that everyone will somehow endlessly plex infinite amounts by farming SP. Now no one will need to sub or buy plex from ccp ever... it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6934	Posted - 2016.01.30 16:03:13 - [57] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: No, just pay $5 in Aurum fees to CCP per skill extractor, which, if you calculate, is about double the price of a subscription. Well then some people have been miscalculating then huh it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6934	Posted - 2016.01.30 16:46:50 - [58] - Quote The SP you trained yourself is free apparently, some people think in odd ways it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6937	Posted - 2016.02.01 05:17:45 - [59] - Quote Zozoll Neblyn wrote: If it went higher, then players would buy plex, use farms to convert them into extractors, and sell them at a profit. If the profit of that ever gets very high, there will be a rush to exploit the available profit. Supply will rise until the market gets flooded to the point where the price drops back down. And all these plex are doing what in price while all players are rushing to buy them? In fact which price is moving first, the plex being rushed to be bought or the extractors coming out ... over the span of 4 weeks~ it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6937	Posted - 2016.02.02 14:32:30 - [60] - Quote Moac Tor wrote: many players such as myself pay the subscription to access the servers and not solely for the accumulation of SP. Whoa whoa, you -sure- you want to say that here? it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6938	Posted - 2016.02.02 20:11:37 - [61] - Quote People still haven't gotten tired of the same thing from like page .... 2 of the earlier thread. RehashingV, I know what I need to train to get ahead on these forums. it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6938	Posted - 2016.02.02 22:56:16 - [62] - Quote It's pointless to start on that again, better to make a bunch of arguments about the aur cost by now it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6938	Posted - 2016.02.03 05:36:36 - [63] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: So, you see some newish alt come in, you kill it easily and when you see it jump a gate, you rush to kill it again ... but now it is in a much tougher ship and hot drops you while hard tackling. I see a lot more risk adverse game playing in the future. Far more crying about care bears docking up and not coming out to fight. Yes, the lowsec-highsec gate camping care bears... they were so non-risk adverse in the past ganking people on the gate. it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6938	Posted - 2016.02.06 07:19:02 - [64] - Quote Oh ho, now we've got something interesting to work with. it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6938	Posted - 2016.02.06 17:01:31 - [65] - Quote Masao Kurata wrote: The AUR price is ruinously low. .. The long term effects of this on CCP's revenue and the health of the game will be disastrous, you need to double the AUR price. Well, this needs to be paid attention to it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6939	Posted - 2016.02.07 05:31:46 - [66] - Quote This is hilarious, yep. it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6941	Posted - 2016.02.08 04:44:44 - [67] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Josef Djugashvilis wrote: The Character Bazaar was implemented by CCP as a means to reduce the 'game illegal' buying and selling of characters on various websites. The logic was that the Character Bazaar controlled by CCP would both reduce this (primary purpose) and provide an income stream for CCP - a by-product of the primary purpose... 2 things: 1) The goal of reducing illegal character trades succeeded, but at the cost of making legal character trades ok and resultingly more common. The idea of hating character trades but accepting the "necessity" of a system which makes them more common just seems like accepting failure of principle when convenient. 2) I find it hard to believe that a 2 PLEX fee was a "byproduct." Or is a money grab just a term we use as another selective principle? Nothing like selective outrage. it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6941	Posted - 2016.02.10 01:45:20 - [68] - Quote Did someone link the mystical "everything Vs" gooed up character (which was born just today) already? it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6941	Posted - 2016.02.13 00:08:34 - [69] - Quote galtest12345 wrote: First people argue that SP don't matter and that noobs will be tricked into buying it when the reality is that training for the long term is the most satisfying part of the game .. .. and now people are arguing that if you don't immediately buy your way into every new shiny thing then you'll be left behind! Which is it, guys? Some people in here are just determined to hate the injectors regardless of what "logic" they implement. It's fine if you hate it, that's fine, but thousands and thousands of them were traded in Jita alone in the last few days. You are the minority. What do you expect, we're starting from the end and working backwards to figure out which base beliefs are needed to justify the outrage. galtest12345 wrote: It might be slightly sad to see Caymus drop off the #1 spot It's time to riot. it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6944	Posted - 2016.02.16 21:25:54 - [70] - Quote This is definitely eve. The responses are as expected, both in the market and in the forums. it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks

Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6944	Posted - 2016.02.18 09:00:53 - [71] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: Berrice Silf wrote: Everything you have done in the game now means very little... Going to have to cut that thought right there and point out first and foremost that for me as a player that was never something for you to determine. Oh snap, you mean people have values other than the magnitude of their SP counter? No way... Tyberius Franklin wrote: So far as the wider reaching absolutes you're now trying to deal in: The social structure of the game isn't built on SP. If there's any mechanical building block it's the fact that regardless of SP individual players have limits to what they can do at any point in time and other players help bypass those limits in ways SP can't. So, blobbers. Also ecm and offgrid boosts. Tyberius Franklin wrote: Unless you're meaning to suggest that gaining SP via injectors itself in a game that has seen desirability of it's members increase with their SP count in certain social circles will now shun greater availability of such increases. That's certainly possible. But at that point one has to question the value of such a connection when so many less "elite" groups are available. ncdot still needs 30mil sp minimum to join? But perhaps my "kill:death ratio" or "isk effiiency" aren't good enough it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe 6946	Posted - 2016.02.20 16:17:15 - [72] - Quote Berrice Silf wrote: philanthropy i dont see anyone giving there skill points away either If I was quitting eve i wouldn't give you anything either (maybe 0.01isk) Goes to our newbies who have other things to do besides post on eveo it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players http://eveboard.com/ranks

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